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20-04-2024 05:09 PM #31
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20-04-2024 06:29 PM #32This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Plenty of posters saying that they have little interest in the post split fixtures now we're bottom six and that fewer Hibs fans will actually attend games. So in a larger league we'll have that problem of meaningless fixtures from February and not April.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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20-04-2024 06:32 PM #33
Always argued we should go to an 18 team league
If anyone outside the uglies makes a challenge
They only have to play them home and away once each. Playing the old firm 8 times makes a strong challenge nearly impossible
But it’s Scotland and the format is designed to keep anyone from challenging isn’t it
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20-04-2024 06:37 PM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Hibs are more likely to drop points to St Johnstone/Raith/Morton/etc than the Ugly Sisters are so it won't improve our chances of making a challenge unless we have a team good enough to consistently beat St Johnstone/Raith/Morton/etc, in which case we will have a team good enough to face the Ugly Sisters eight times a season.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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20-04-2024 07:30 PM #35This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Just a hypothetical team
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20-04-2024 10:50 PM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
And we'd both be very happy if that hypothetical challenger is Hibs.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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20-04-2024 10:58 PM #38
Used to think the split of being a bit Mickey Mouse, largely because no other leagues appeared to do similar, but have grown to appreciate its merits.
We’re pretty much the only team in the league at this point with nothing at stake. Can’t qualify for Europe, can’t be relegated automatically and almost impossible to be dragged in to a play off spot.
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20-04-2024 11:06 PM #39
Historically I've always argued that I'd prefer a larger league where every team plays each other twice as I hate playing teams 4,to 6 times season. Games stop feeling special, even derbies. That said, from a "who is finishing where?" point of view the split definitely has delivered that level of excitement/intrigue.
I'd still extend the league. There's enough teams in the championship who are of an equal level to much of the bottom 6. Gut feel is the only playing each other twice a season throws more unexpected losses vs the current set up making a more competitive league.
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21-04-2024 07:09 AM #40This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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21-04-2024 07:35 AM #41
Scottish football is boring with x4 games against each other a season.
Would say a large majority agree and know it but just put up with it and still pay to go and watch it.
It’s the first change I would make to improve Scottish football.
Still have a split in a bigger league if you really have to but x4 games plus cup games can mean playing teams x6 a season which is dull.
Also the biggest issue is old firm dominance- all clubs should be finding a way to change that as no one is coming 2nd or 1st anytime soon. Buying a ST for 3rd at best is also a scam.
This relying on old firm money is an issue why Scottish football will never push on - sadly this crap tv deals runs till 2029 I think so still a few years to go with old firm TV.
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21-04-2024 07:39 AM #42
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The split is a perfect fix for all outside the OF to meekly accept the perpetual 2 horse race, at least we have something to play for as we close in on the split and high stake games where we can chase an early round entry to UEFA or be dragged in to a relegation dog fight. What's not to be enthusiastic about.
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21-04-2024 08:26 AM #43
I'd go further with the split similar to what Belgium do.
We could have a 14 team league, play each other twice for 26 games. Top 7 then split off, points are halved (and rounded up if required) and they play each other twice to decide the champions and European places. Bottom 7 is the same format with 2 going down, 2 coming up and 1 play off place.
If you implemented that this season (and it's not a perfect comparison because the number of teams and number of games at the point of the split are different) then the gap between Celtic in 1st and Hearts in 3rd would be 8 points with 12 games to play rather than the current split format where it is 12 points with 5 to play.
I reckon you'd see a non OF winner with that format in far less time than the 40+ years it has taken with the various formats we have used since the 80s.Last edited by Pretty Boy; 21-04-2024 at 08:30 AM.
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21-04-2024 08:31 AM #44This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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21-04-2024 08:53 AM #45This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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21-04-2024 08:55 AM #46
If we're going to reform the league then I'd want the Championship expanded to 12 teams with both it and the Premiership playing home and away for 22 games. You would then have the mid season break.
After that the top 8 in the Premiership play home and away for the title and Europe, the bottom 4 play the top 4 from the Championship for promotion/relegation and the bottom eight in the Championship play to avoid relegation. Everyone has a total of 36 games.
Plenty of meaningful matches and a very fluid situation for the middle teams so we'll see far more variety in the teams we play each season.
I like PB's suggestion of halving the points total to make the second part of the season more competitive and it would apply for the top and bottom 8s. Or start those teams with one point for each game won in the first part of the season. Everyone in the middle 8 would start on nil.
I'd also consult the Frist and Second division clubs on whether they want to continue with their current structure, move to two equal status regional leagues or have one league of 18.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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21-04-2024 10:21 AM #47This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteEvery gimmick hungry yob,
Digging gold from rock and roll
Grabs the mic to tell us,
He'll die before he's sold.
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21-04-2024 10:24 AM #48This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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21-04-2024 11:07 AM #49
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21-04-2024 07:46 PM #50This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-04-2024 02:28 PM #51This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Also, just look at the number of people saying that they're not going to go to the Aberdeen and Motherwell games because they don't matter because they are "dead rubbers".
Can you imagine the number of dead rubbers in an 18 or 20 team league? The crowds at games would be miniscule for all the teams not competing for Europe or the championship.
I'm pretty sure the majority of European leagues have splits including countries like Denmark and Belgium. Belgium's system, in particular ,is a doozy.
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22-04-2024 03:37 PM #52This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-04-2024 03:54 PM #53
No particular problem with the split as others have alluded to. My main issue with the league is the amount of times a season we play the same teams, it's pretty dull at times. I would love to see an expanded top flight where we played each team once home/away. Something like the below would be great, only one chance to go away to each ground a season and representation from all over the country. I'm aware there are probably very good reasons why this wouldn't work but I like it
1. Hibernian
2. Celtic
3. Rangers
4. Aberdeen
5. Heart of Midlothian
6. Dundee United
7. Dundee
8. Kilmarnock
9. Motherwell
10. St Mirren
11. St Johnstone
12. Ross County
13. Raith Rovers
14. Partick Thistle
15. Dunfermline Athletic
16. Inverness Caledonian Thistle
17. Falkirk
18. Queen of The South (my wife's home town team so they make the cut!)
19. Greenock Morton
20. Ayr United
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22-04-2024 04:17 PM #54This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Even in the 73 and 74 seasons, most of our games outwith Rantic and Hearts were under 10k.
And we were second both of those seasons and an absolute joy to watch!
I agree the leagues with splits are not the best in the world, but that's because of the countries' populations, not their league systems.
If people can't be arsed going to see us against 2 of the bigger clubs in the country, Aberdeen and Motherwell, we wouldn't have to open all the stands if we were playing Morton or Ayr United.
I'd rather we didn't have a split, but it's the best solution for such a small country.
It's not as if the championship was regularly won by different clubs. Celtic and Rangers still clearly dominated.Last edited by Hibbyradge; 22-04-2024 at 04:21 PM.
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22-04-2024 04:49 PM #55This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'd love a bit more variety with away trips
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22-04-2024 08:49 PM #56
‘The split’
The crowds Hibs get are the biggest I can remember
17000 against Motherwell?
I can’t remember that kind of crowd for that kind of fixture in my lifetime
Sure, it won’t be that next time but we had a really strong support this season
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23-04-2024 10:57 AM #57This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
For those claiming that a bigger league would result in a better chance of one of the big two not winning the league - the league was first reduced in size from a big league to a small league in 1975. Celtic had just won that bigger league 9 times in a row.
As for the argument that the top leagues have bigger leagues and no split so it must be better- the top leagues have 3 or 4 Champions league places to play for, alongside another 3 other european spots - this means there are way more meaningful games that can be accomodated in a bigger league.
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23-04-2024 11:13 AM #59
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I personally would like to see us go to a bigger league. But in the current format I do actually quite like the split. Bing part of the race to make top 6 added some jeopardy akin to a title race in early April where we were all looking at Dundee/Motherwells next 3 fixtures compared to ours.
Being bottom 6 is *****, especially when you just miss out and you're not really in the relegation conversations. But I also think for the most part the relegation race is never as exciting as folk would have you believe, it's usually drab draws because neither team can actually score goals or a 1-0 win from a flukey corner goal. But the principle of the whole thing does work 'beat your nearest rivals to earn Europe/top flight status'.
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23-04-2024 12:26 PM #60
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So essentially, if you do well first half of the season you’ll be penalized by having more points taken off you than teams that didn’t do well?
I get it would make it more likely for someone else to win the league, but it seems a bit unfair really. If you pick up 40 points in the first half of the season then you’re down to 20 but if you pick up 25 then you’re down to 13. Win 2 and draw 1 more than the team who had 40 points in the next half of the season and you could win the league despite having picked up significantly less actual points.
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